The T70 continuation series - a great idea?

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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:16 pm

Perfect ! Thanks !
There is the T140/T222 in action at Interlagos, 1974 (on the old "killed" circuit - 7952 m.)
Driver - my missing friend Mr. Antonio Carlos Avallone
T140/16 (rebodied as T222), T142/1 (original, ex works), T76/155 (the REAL one...)
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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:23 pm

:D
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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:30 pm

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T140/16 (rebodied as T222), T142/1 (original, ex works), T76/155 (the REAL one...)
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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:31 pm

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T140/16 (rebodied as T222), T142/1 (original, ex works), T76/155 (the REAL one...)
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Postby Johan » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:55 pm

Marcos,my instructions for posting pictures were incomplete and confusing. Sorry.
You need to post the photos on a website that hosts photos, and then after doing so, put that address in between the image nomenclature. I think you are trying to upload photos stored on your own computer. I'm not sure that can be done.
Do you have a photo gallery anywhere like AOL or can anyone suggest a place ?
If so , you can go back and edit your previous three posts and add the images. If you want to send them to me I think I can get them uploaded, or better yet, send them to Gerald Swan. Regardless, we wnat to see them !
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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:30 pm

Don't worry ! Thanks !
The problem is on my Yahoo briefcase !
But, after a few attempts, I reach there !
DOG (what ?) - Put a "burka" on it, please....hehehehehhhh...
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Postby Napolis » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:58 pm

Johan your spyder is looking great. Much better than your dog.
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Postby Gerald Swan » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:39 pm

Hi Marcos, one way to post your images is to use ImageShack, http://www.imageshack.us/ it's free to use and it gives you a link which you can then add to your post here. It also lets you create a thumbnail that you can show in your thread. There is also a help page at http://reg.imageshack.us/content.php?page=faq.

If it all seems a bit too complicated, and this applies to everyone, send the pictures to me at gerald@lolaheritage.co.uk and I will make them available in the thread.

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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:14 pm

SORRY, MY MISTAKE !
HOW MANY TIMES I'D TYPE T56 ???
PLEASE, READ ALL AS T76...

I PLACED 14 INTERESTING LOLA DOCUMENTS AT:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/msacoman/ ... =l&.src=bc
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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:07 pm

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Postby MARCOS SACOMAN » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:09 pm

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Postby Johan » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:07 pm

They are building Ford GT MK IV's again as well. Someone in North Carolina (Kenny Thompson) has seven of them under way. The cars are 300 thousand and are all spoken for. The list of owners of original cars is very short (and often listed in an in-accurate manner as I have never seen an error free list ) and the desire to own a car exceeds the available supply. Makes the idea of an actual Lola built by Lola seem pretty good to me.
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Postby Napolis » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:13 pm

Johan wrote:They are building Ford GT MK IV's again as well. Someone in North Carolina (Kenny Thompson) has seven of them under way. The cars are 300 thousand and are all spoken for. The list of owners of original cars is very short (and often listed in an in-accurate manner as I have never seen an error free list ) and the desire to own a car exceeds the available supply. Makes the idea of an actual Lola built by Lola seem pretty good to me.


That "news" is very old and so far they haven't seen the light of day.

IMO anyone considering one should look at the MKII replica he made. Fran Kress has had it for sale for a while, before they put in their order for one of his "MK-IV's".

Anyone who thinks I'm mistaken please comment.
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Postby Johan » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:16 pm

I agree with what I perceive to be your viewpoint, and brought it up here only to point out that replicas (of Ford MK IVs) are on the market and selling at prices higher than legitimate continuation cars(of lola t70 Mk 3bs).
It is also interesting that the MK IV replicas are selling at about 10% the value of an original, while T70 continuation cars are selling for about
25-50 % the value of an original,based on sales of replica and original cars over the past few months. I take this to mean that original Lolas are undervalued.
I wish Kenny Thompson was not building replica MK IV Fords so that he could build me a set of headers for my Gurney Lola.
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Postby Glyn Jones » Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:23 pm

I am sure readers and contributors to this thread may appreciate some clarity on the topic of Continuation cars, replicas and the FIA regulations.

For 2006 onwards the FIA have created a two tier system of recognition and eligibility for Historic Cars. Original cars will have their provenance and technical specification pronounced in a document entitled 'Heritage Certificate'. Only cars with documented history and original specification (?) are entitled to such accreditation. The second tier of eligibility is a 'Historic Technical Passport' (HTP). To qualify the car in question must be a precise replica of the original save only that the regulation provides for material changes where original specification is no longer available and Safety requirements (seat belts, fire extinguishers etc.) must comply with the current Appendix K .

Anyone with a working knowledge of historic / vintage racing will immediately spot the conundrum in the regulations; The Cars qualifying for an HTP are likely to be more akin to the original than many of the highly developed racers which will, by provenance, qualify for a Heritage Certificate.

I must of course admit my interest as being the person who has piloted the Lola T70 programme from a boardroom idea to a series of finished cars. I can assure any doubters that the cars currently available are indeed true replicas in all respects save that the material spec for the panelling has been revised as L72 is no longer readily available in the UK. I am very proud of the fact that much of the cars is made in the time honoured fashion and using jigs that have remained in use from 1969.

I attach some photos (http://www.lolaheritage.co.uk//news/site_news/Continuation_T70/t70.htm) which I hope will be of interest.

On the topic of the last 'real' T70, if Marcos's car is numbered SL76/155 the Factory records indicate it was not built until 1980 at Huntingdon.

With this in mind I know that some of the opponents of replica and continuation cars own T70's built as part of the FIRST continuation series between 1979-82. These cars are now simply part of the T70 Family and to my knowledge are not pointed at from the banking at Road America or Silverstone and decried as replicas. In a few years the current continuation cars will have been absorbed into the Family in the same way and judging by the value of the 79-82 cars will make a sound investment for the buyer.

However what is a real T70 ? - Well in my view a car built by the Lola Factory. Any critics must always remember that the T70's are not replicas but a continuation of the original build by the original manufacturer.

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